| "Colossal misjudgments." What colossal misjudgments, in your
opinion, has President Bush made in these areas?
Oops, we haven't done the job. We have to start to spend the money now.
Will you guys give us permission to shift it over into training?"
(CROSSTALK) We can do 30 seconds each here.
A free Iraq is essential for the security of this country.
A free Iraq will be an ally in the war on terror, and that's essential.
A free Iraq will enforce the hopes and aspirations of the reformers in
places like Iran.
A free Iraq will help secure Israel.
A free Iraq will set a powerful example in the part of the world that is
desperate for freedom.
A green light will come on when 30 seconds remain in any given answer,
yellow at 15, red at five seconds, and then flashing red means time's up.
A reminder, the second presidential debate will be a week from tomorrow,
October 8th, from Washington University in St.
Actually, we've increased funding for dealing with nuclear proliferation
about 35 percent since I've been the president.
Again, I can't tell you how big a mistake I think that is, to have bilateral
talks with North Korea.
Al Qaida attacked us.
All of these, and especially homeland security, which we'll talk about
a little bit later.
All right, go ahead.
All right, new question.
All right, sir, go ahead.
All right, that brings us to closing statements.
Almost every step of the way, our troops have been left on these extraordinarily
Also, this coming Tuesday, at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland,
the vice presidential candidates, Vice President Cheney and Senator Edwards,
will debate with my PBS colleague, Gwen Ifill, moderating.
Although I'm not so sure I admire the record.
America and the world are safer for it.
America needed to be safe.
And a free Iraq is going to make this world a more peaceful place.
and a great first lady.
And as I just told you, there's going to be a summit of the Arab nations.
And at his pace, it will take 13 years to secure those weapons in Russia.
And back then, we intercepted a suitcase in a Middle Eastern country with
nuclear materials in it.
And by the way, the breach on the agreement was not through plutonium.
And by the way, we've also changed the culture of the FBI to have counterterrorism
as its number one priority.
And certainty sometimes can get you in trouble.
And China's a got a lot of influence over North Korea, some ways more than
And Colin Powell helped set up that summit.
And Colin Powell so stated.
And finally, he says we ought to have a summit.
And finally, we were a party to the convention -- to working with Germany,
France and Great Britain to send their foreign ministers into Iran.
And for all the rest of the parents in America who are wondering about
their kids going to the school or anywhere else in the world, what kind
of world they're going to grow up in, let me look you in the eye and say
to you: I defended this country as a young man at war, and I will defend
it as president of the United States.
And for two years, this administration didn't talk at all to North Korea.
And fortunately the rainy season will be ending shortly, which will make
it easier to get aid there and help the long-suffering people there.
And from the beginning, I did vote to give the authority, because I thought
Saddam Hussein was a threat, and I did accept that intelligence.
And God bless America.
And he has.
And he rushed the war in Iraq without a plan to win the peace.
And he said our troops would be occupiers in a bitterly hostile land.
And I ask you to give me the opportunity to make you proud.
And I believe both a free Afghanistan and a free Iraq will serve as a powerful
example for millions who plead in silence for liberty in the broader Middle
And I believe our troops need other allies helping.
And I believe President Bush and I both love our country equally.
And I believe that a fresh start, new credibility, a president who can
understand what we have to do to reach out to the Muslim world to make
it clear that this is not, you know -- Osama bin Laden uses the invasion
of Iraq in order to go out to people and say that America has declared
war on Islam.
And I do.
And I don't appreciate it when candidate for president denigrates the contributions
of these brave soldiers.
And I don't hold it against him that he said grave threat.
And I expect to win.
And I have great respect and admiration for his wife.
And I honor their sacrifices.
And I hope it's as soon as possible.
And I intend to get it done.
And I know the president will join me in welcoming all of Florida to this
And I know what many of them say today, and I know how to bring them back
to the table.
And I made some tough decisions.
And I share them with him.
And I think a critical component of success in Iraq is being able to convince
the Iraqis and the Arab world that the United States doesn't have long-term
designs on it.
And I think it goes beyond just the response to terror.
And I think it's very important for the American president, as well as
other Western leaders, to remind him of the great benefits of democracy,
that democracy will best help the people realize their hopes and aspirations
And I think it's very important to the United States, obviously, to have
a working relationship that is good.
And I think this will work.
And I think we have a lot of earning back to do.
And I try not to.
And I understand that in certain capitals around the world that that wasn't
a popular move.
And I want to make sure the outcome honors that nobility.
And I was probably one of the first senators, along with Senator Bob Smith
of New Hampshire, a former senator, go down into the KGB underneath Treblinka
Square and see reams of files with names in them.
And I welcome you to the first of the 2004 presidential debates between
President George W.
And I went there hoping that, once and for all, the free world would act
in concert to get Saddam Hussein to listen to our demands.
And I will continue working with him over the next four years.
And I will hunt down and kill the terrorists, wherever they are.
And I will succeed for those troops, now that we're there.
And I would hope to never have to use force.
And I wouldn't join it.
And if he had been in power, in other words, if we would have said, "Let
the inspectors work, or let's, you know, hope to talk him out. Maybe an
18th resolution would work," he would have been stronger and tougher,
and the world would have been a lot worse off.
And if I were to ever say, "This is the wrong war at the wrong time
at the wrong place," the troops would wonder, how can I follow this
And if we do that, then we have the ability to be able to respond more
And if we lose our will, we lose.
And if you enter bilateral talks, they'll be happy to walk away from the
And I'll tell you exactly how.
And I'm going to lead those troops to victory.
And I'm optimistic.
And in Crawford, Texas, Jiang Zemin and I agreed that the nuclear-weapons-free
peninsula, Korean Peninsula, was in his interest and our interest and the
And in the middle of the discussion, to tell them about the missiles in
Cuba, he said, "Here, let me show you the photos." And DeGaulle
waved them off and said, "No, no, no, no. The word of the president
of the United States is good enough for me."
And Iran and Iraq are now more dangerous -- Iran and North Korea are now
And Iraq is not even the center of the focus of the war on terror.
And it is one of the things I've learned in the White House, is that there's
enormous pressure on the president, and he cannot wilt under that pressure.
And it reminds me that it is vital for us not to confuse the war, ever,
with the warriors.
And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms
And it wasn't until former Secretary of State Jim Baker and General Scowcroft
and others pushed publicly and said you've got to go to the U.N., that
the president finally changed his mind -- his campaign has a word for that
-- and went to the United Nations.
And it's been labeled an act of ongoing genocide.
And it's hard work.
And it's important that we do have a good relation, because that enables
me to better comment to him, and to better to discuss with him, some of
the decisions he makes.
And it's not only just America, but NATO is now helping, Jordan's helping
train police, UAE is helping train police.
And it's tough.
And I've never wavered in my life.
And judgment is what we look for in the president of the United States
And long before President Bush and I get a tax cut -- and that's who gets
it -- long before we do, I'm going to invest in homeland security and I'm
going to make sure we're not cutting COPS programs in America and we're
fully staffed in our firehouses and that we protect the nuclear and chemical
And may God continue to bless our great land.
And meanwhile, North Korea has got nuclear weapons.
And months ago, many of us were pressing for action.
And most Americans know the difference.
And my plan has a better chance of standing up and fighting for those troops.
And now there's 30 nations involved, standing side by side with our American
And now we see beheadings.
And now we're fighting them now.
And our alliance is strong.
And our alliance is strong.
And our goal in my administration would be to get all of the troops out
of there with a minimal amount you need for training and logistics as we
do in some other countries in the world after a war to be able to sustain
And part of that leadership is sending the right message to places like
And Prime Minister Koizumi is going to call countries to account, to get
them to contribute.
And Saddam Hussein was a threat, and that we must spread liberty because
in the long run, the way to defeat hatred and tyranny and oppression is
to spread freedom.
And secondly, to think that another round of resolutions would have caused
Saddam Hussein to disarm, disclose, is ludicrous, in my judgment.
And since that day, our nation has been on a multi-pronged strategy to
keep our country safer.
And smart means not diverting your attention from the real war on terror
in Afghanistan against Osama bin Laden and taking if off to Iraq where
the 9/11 Commission confirms there was no connection to 9/11 itself and
Saddam Hussein, and where the reason for going to war was weapons of mass
destruction, not the removal of Saddam Hussein.
And so I acknowledge that his daughters -- I've watched them.
And so I decided that a better way to approach the issue was to get other
nations involved, just besides us.
And so if Kim Jong Il decides again to not honor an agreement, he's not
only doing injustice to America, he'd be doing injustice to China, as well.
And so I've told him my opinion.
And so the best indication about when we can bring our troops home -- which
I really want to do, but I don't want to do so for the sake of bringing
them home; I want to do so because we've achieved an objective -- is to
see the Iraqis perform and to see the Iraqis step up and take responsibility.
And so we began a new dialogue with North Korea, one that included not
only the United States, but now China.
And so, the answer to your question is: When our general is on the ground
and Ambassador Negroponte tells me that Iraq is ready to defend herself
from these terrorists, that elections will have been held by then, that
their stability and that they're on their way to, you know, a nation that's
free; that's when.
And so, the plan he talks about simply won't work.
And so, today, we are 90 percent of the casualties and 90 percent of the
cost: $200 billion -- $200 billion that could have been used for health
care, for schools, for construction, for prescription drugs for seniors,
and it's in Iraq.
And that ends tonight's debate.
And that is another way to help deal with the threats that we face in the
And that is, I wouldn't join the International Criminal Court.
And that's going to require more than is on the table today.
And that's how best it is to keep the peace.
And that's my biggest concern about my opponent.
And that's not how a commander in chief acts.
And that's one of the reasons why I believe I can get this job done, because
I am determined for those soldiers and for those families, for those kids
who put their lives on the line.
And that's the difference between the president and me.
And that's what I did with that vote.
And that's what people are seeing now is happening in Afghanistan.
And that's what they are.
And that's what we're doing.
And that's why it is essential we not leave.
And that's why it's essential that we have strong alliances, and we do.
And that's why proliferation is one of the centerpieces of a multi-prong
strategy to make the country safer.
And the black market sale price was about $250 million.
And the enemy only has to be right once to hurt us.
And the main reason we'll succeed is because the Iraqis want to be free.
And the president chose the wrong way.
And the president of South Korea went back to South Korea bewildered and
embarrassed because it went against his policy.
And the question, is it worth the cost, reminds me of my own thinking when
I came back from fighting in that war.
And the reason he didn't is, he said -- he wrote in his book -- because
there was no viable exit strategy.
And the Taliban are no longer in power.
And the test is not whether you're spending more money.
And then the president.
And then you've got to fix it and do something with it.
And there are a long list of thing.
And there, again, he sort of slid by the question.
And there's an enormous undone job to protect the loose nuclear materials
in the world that are able to get to terrorists.
And there's going to be an Arab summit, of the neighborhood countries.
And these are the things you have to think through.
And they believe it because they know I would not take my eye off of the
goal: Osama bin Laden.
And they both looked at me and said: We need you.
And they're showing up in Iraq for the same reason.
And this president, I regret to say, has secured less nuclear material
in the last two years since 9/11 than we did in the two years preceding
And those are the stakes.
And to do the job, you can't cut the money for it.
And today, there are four to seven nuclear weapons in the hands of North
And today, we are 90 percent of the casualties and 90 percent of the costs.
And two minutes.
And we admire your pluck and perseverance.
And we can get those weapons at the same time as we get China.
And we don't have enough troops there.
And we got weapons of mass destruction crossing the border every single
day, and they're blowing people up.
And we have a duty to our country and to future generations of America
to achieve a free Iraq, a free Afghanistan, and to rid the world of weapons
of mass destruction.
And we knew the limits on their nuclear power.
And we knew where the fuel rods were.
And we know that there were further diplomatic efforts under way.
And we need a fresh start, a new credibility, a president who can bring
allies to our side.
And we never picked him up on that and did what was necessary to transfer
authority and to transfer reconstruction.
And we pushed our allies aside.
And we signed an agreement with North Korea that my administration found
out that was not being honored by the North Koreans.
And we support the U.N. efforts there.
And we will.
And we'll continue to spread freedom.
And we're going to build the strongest international network to prevent
And we're going to get the job of containing all of that nuclear material
in Russia done in four years.
And we're going to keep it out of the hands of terrorists.
And we're making progress there.
And we've been effective.
And we've got a good strategy.
And we've got a robust research and development program that has been ongoing
during my administration.
And we've watched this president actually turn away from some of the treaties
that were on the table.
And what we need now is a president who understands how to bring these
other countries together to recognize their stakes in this.
And when I stood up there and spoke to the Congress, I was speaking off
the same intelligence he looked at to make his decisions to support the
authorization of force.
And when Iraq if free, America will be more secure.
And when we had Osama bin Laden cornered in the mountains of Tora Bora,
1,000 of his cohorts with him in those mountains.
And while he's been diverted, with 9 out of 10 active duty divisions of
our Army, either going to Iraq, coming back from Iraq, or getting ready
to go, North Korea's gotten nuclear weapons and the world is more dangerous.
And you cannot change positions in this war on terror if you expect to
And you go visit some of those kids in the hospitals today who were maimed
because they don't have the armament.
And you have to do that by beginning to not back off of the Fallujahs and
other places, and send the wrong message to the terrorists.
And you're opposed to that.
And you're willing to do it...
And, again, as determined by a coin toss, Senator Kerry, you go first,
and you have two minutes.
And, as well, we're pursuing a strategy of freedom around the world, because
I understand free nations will reject terror.
And, of course, Iraq is a central part in the war on terror.
And, unfortunately, he didn't go to war as a last resort.
And, yes, he would have been stronger had we not dealt with him.
Anyway, that's for another debate.
Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake?
Are there also underlying character issues that you believe, that you believe
are serious enough to deny Senator Kerry the job as commander in chief
of the United States?
As a matter of fact, my opponent talks about inspectors.
As a matter of fact, this is a global effort.
As determined by a coin toss, the first question goes to you, Senator Kerry.
As George Will said the other day, "Freedom on the march; not in Russia
As I understand it, we're building some 14 military bases there now, and
some people say they've got a rather permanent concept to them.
As president, what would you do, specifically, in addition to or differently
to increase the homeland security of the United States than what President
Bush is doing?
As the politics change, his positions change.
As well, help is on the way, but it's certainly hard to tell it when he
voted against the $87-billion supplemental to provide equipment for our
troops, and then said he actually did vote for it before he voted against
As well, we included South Korea, Japan and Russia.
Ask the people in the armed forces today.
At the rate that the president is currently securing it, it'll take 13
years to get it.
Back to Iran, just for a second.
Because China has an interest in the outcome, too.
Because I understand the stakes of this war on terror.
Because that's one of the most critical issues here: North Korea.
Before I was sworn in, the policy of this government was to have bilateral
negotiations with North Korea.
Bush, the Republican nominee, and Senator John Kerry, the Democratic nominee.
But a president must always be willing to use troops.
But again, I repeat to my fellow citizens, the best way to protection is
to stay on the offense.
But again, the test or the difference between us, the president has had
four years to try to do something about it, and North Korea has got more
weapons; Iran is moving toward weapons.
But because Tommy Franks did such a great job in planning the operation,
we moved rapidly, and a lot of the Baathists and Saddam loyalists laid
down their arms and disappeared.
But before I answer further, let me thank you for moderating.
But by speaking clearly and sending messages that we mean what we say,
we've affected the world in a positive way.
But I also know how to lead those alliances.
But I also laid out a very strict series of things we needed to do in order
to proceed from a position of strength.
But I don't believe this president can.
But I have a difference with this president.
But I have a plan to do it.
But I just know how this world works, and that in the councils of government,
there must be certainty from the U.S. president.
But I know putting artificial deadlines won't work.
But I think it's worth it, Jim.
But I think the president, again, still hasn't shown how he's going to
go about it the right way.
But I want to come back to where I began, on homeland security.
But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes
the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people
understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to
the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.
But if we remain strong and resolute, we will defeat this enemy.
But I'll tell you this, as president, if it took American forces to some
degree to coalesce the African Union, I'd be prepared to do it because
we could never allow another Rwanda.
But I'll tell you this: As president, I'll never take my eye off that ball.
But I'm not going to make decisions that I think are wrong for America.
But it's getting worse by the day.
But it's necessary work.
But it's necessary work.
But it's the right move not to join a foreign court that could -- where
our people could be prosecuted.
But let me talk about something that the president just sort of finished
But people know where I stand.
But that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake of judgment to go there and take
the focus off of Osama bin Laden.
But that's how we're going to win the peace, by rapidly training the Iraqis
But the best way to protect this homeland is to stay on the offense.
But the enemy attacked us, Jim, and I have a solemn duty to protect the
American people, to do everything I can to protect us.
But the front on this war is more than just one place.
But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq.
But there was fortunately others beside himself who believed that we ought
to take action.
But they're now back in helping with elections.
But this issue of certainty.
But this president hasn't even held the kind of statesman-like summits
that pull people together and get them to invest in those states.
But to say that there's only one focus on the war on terror doesn't really
understand the nature of the war on terror.
But we also have to be smart, Jim.
But we always have to stand up for democracy.
But we didn't need to rush to war without a plan to win the peace.
But we didn't use American forces, the best trained in the world, to go
But we do have differences.
But we have a different set of convictions about how we make our country
stronger here at home and respected again in the world.
But we just have a different set of convictions about how you make America
But what he has said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass
destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there
was no connection with Al Qaida, he would still have done everything the
But what I won't do is change my core values because of politics or because
But you can't tell me that when the most troops any other country has on
the ground is Great Britain, with 8,300, and below that the four others
are below 4,000, and below that, there isn't anybody out of the hundreds,
that we have a genuine coalition to get this job done.
But you own it.
But you've also got to show that you are prepared to bring the rest of
the world in and share the stakes.
But, again, I want to tell the American people, we're doing everything
we can at home, but you better have a president who chases these terrorists
down and bring them to justice before they hurt us again.
By being steadfast and resolute and strong, by keeping our word, by supporting
our troops, we can achieve the peace we all want.
Can I respond to that?
Can you give us specifics, in terms of a scenario, time lines, et cetera,
for ending major U.S. military involvement in Iraq?
Candidates may not direct a question to each other.
Charles Gibson of ABC News will moderate a town hall-type event.
Civilians get onto aircraft, and their luggage is X-rayed, but the cargo
hold is not X- rayed.
Clearly, as we have heard, major policy differences between the two of
Colin Powell, our secretary of state, announced one day that we were going
to continue the dialog of working with the North Koreans.
Darfur has a genocide.
Did that raise any hackles with you?
Did you misjudge him or are you -- do you feel that what he is doing in
the name of antiterrorism by changing some democratic processes is OK?
Do you believe that diplomacy and sanctions can resolve the nuclear problems
with North Korea and Iran? Take them in any order you would like.
Do you believe the election of Senator Kerry on November the 2nd would
increase the chances of the U.S. being hit by another 9/11-type terrorist
Do you believe you could do a better job than President Bush in preventing
another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States?
Does that make you feel safer in America?
Does that mean that Saddam Hussein was 10 times more important than Osama
bin Laden -- than, excuse me, Saddam Hussein more important than Osama
bin Laden? I don't think so.
Does the Iraq experience make it more likely or less likely that you would
take the United States into another preemptive military action?
Even the administration has admitted they haven't done the training, because
they came back to Congress a few weeks ago and asked for a complete reprogramming
of the money.
Every life matters.
Everybody knows it's hard work, because there's a determined enemy that's
trying to defeat us.
Fifty thousand people have already died in that area.
First of all, he made the misjudgment of saying to America that he was
going to build a true alliance, that he would exhaust the remedies of the
United Nations and go through the inspections.
First of all, of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us.
First of all, we all know that in his state of the union message, he told
Congress about nuclear materials that didn't exist.
First of all, what kind of mixed message does it send when you have $500
million going over to Iraq to put police officers in the streets of Iraq,
and the president is cutting the COPS program in America?
First of all, what my opponent wants you to forget is that he voted to
authorize the use of force and now says it's the wrong war at the wrong
time at the wrong place.
For each question there can only be a two-minute response, a 90- second
rebuttal and, at my discretion, a discussion extension of one minute.
For now, thank you, Senator Kerry, President Bush.
Forty seconds, Senator.
Forty-one percent of those 10 million are women.
Free nations will answer the hopes and aspirations of their people.
Free nations will help us achieve the peace we all want.
From Coral Gables, Florida, I'm Jim Lehrer.
General Shinsheki, the Army chief of staff, said you're going to need several
hundred thousand troops.
Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth.
Good evening from the University of Miami Convocation Center in Coral Gables,
Good evening, Mr. President, Senator Kerry.
Has the war in Iraq been worth the cost of American lives, 1,052 as of
He also promised America that he would go to war as a last resort.
He also said in December of 2003 that anyone who doubts that the world
is safer without Saddam Hussein does not have the judgment to be president.
He also said Saddam Hussein would have been stronger.
He believes in the freedom of the Iraqi people.
He believes, like I believe, that the Iraqis are ready to fight for their
He called them coerced and the bribed.
He changes positions on something as fundamental as what you believe in
your core, in your heart of hearts, is right in Iraq.
He changes positions.
He cut if off, sort of arbitrarily.
He didn't do any of those things.
He doesn't want U.S. leadership, however, to send mixed signals, to not
stand with the Iraqi people.
He had the capability of making weapons, and he would have made weapons.
He has more of the same.
He is -- listen, they went through a horrible situation in Beslan, where
these terrorists gunned down young school kids.
He is the leader of that country.
He misled the American people when he said we'd go to war as a last resort.
He needed to be disarmed.
He pushed them away.
He said I misled on Iraq.
He said Osama bin Laden uses the invasion of Iraq as an excuse to spread
hatred for America.
He used the word "truth" again.
He wants to unravel the six- party talks, or the five-nation coalition
that's sending him a clear message.
He was hoping to turn a blind eye.
He was hoping we'd turn away.
He went to Cincinnati and he gave a speech in which he said, "We will
plan carefully. We will proceed cautiously. We will not make war inevitable.
We will go with our allies."
He'd been in Afghanistan, went to Iraq.
Her husband PJ got killed.
Here we have our own secretary of state who has had to apologize to the
world for the presentation he made to the United Nations.
He's a brave, brave man.
He's a strong, courageous leader.
His political opposition is being put in jail.
How many leaders in the world today would respond to us, as a result of
what we've done, in that way? So what is at test here is the credibility
of the United States of America and how we lead the world.
Humvees -- 10,000 out of 12,000 Humvees that are over there aren't armored.
I admire his service.
I admire the fact that he is a great dad.
I admirer the fact that he served for 20 years in the Senate.
I agree with him.
I agree with my opponent that we shouldn't be committing troops.
I also believe that it is -- one of the reasons we can't do it is we're
I also have a plan to win the war on terror, funding homeland security,
strengthening our military, cutting our finances, reaching out to the world,
again building strong alliances.
I also intend to double the number of special forces so that we can do
the job we need to do with respect fighting the terrorists around the world.
I appreciate the fact that his daughters have been so kind to my daughters
in what has been a pretty hard experience for, I guess, young girls, seeing
their dads out there campaigning.
I appreciate your listening tonight.
I ask for your vote.
I ask you to give me the opportunity to lead this great nation, so that
we can be stronger here at home, respected again in the world, and have
responsible leadership that we deserve.
I believe a free Afghanistan is in this nation's interest.
I believe America is safest and strongest when we are leading the world
and we are leading strong alliances.
I believe America's best days are ahead of us because I believe that the
future belongs to freedom, not to fear.
I believe I'm going to win, because the American people know I know how
I believe in being strong and resolute and determined.
I believe in protecting America first.
I believe in the transformational power of liberty.
I believe that 25 million people, the vast majority, long to have elections.
I believe that it is important to tell the truth to the American people.
I believe that Ronald Reagan, John Kennedy, and the others did that more
effectively, and I'm going to try to follow in their footsteps.
I believe that the free Iraq is in this nation's interests.
I believe that we have to win this.
I believe that when you know something's going wrong, you make it right.
I believe they want to.
I believe those troops deserve better than what they are getting today.
I believe we can be successful.
I believe we could have done better.
I believe when we're strongest when we reach out and lead the world and
build strong alliances.
I can do better.
I can make American safer than President Bush has made us.
I can't say it any more plainly.
I couldn't agree more that the Iraqis want to be free and that they could
I deal with them all the time.
I deal with them all the time.
I decided the right action was in Iraq.
I decided to go there myself.
I did a lot of work on this.
I didn't need anybody to tell me to go to the United Nations.
I didn't say I would bring troops out in six months.
I disagree, strongly disagree with that.
I don't believe the United States did that.
I don't see how you can lead this country to succeed in Iraq if you say
wrong war, wrong time, wrong place.
I don't take it personally.
I don't think he misled you when he said that, you know, anyone who doubted
whether the world was better off without Saddam Hussein in power didn't
have the judgment to be president.
I don't think he was misleading when he called Iraq a grave threat in the
fall of 2002.
I don't think he was misleading when he said that it was right to disarm
Iraq in the spring of 2003.
I don't think he was misleading.
I don't think that'll work.
I don't think that's my job or my business.
I don't think we want to get to how he's going to pay for all these promises.
I found that, in this world, that it's important to establish good personal
relationships with people so that when you have disagreements, you're able
to disagree in a way that is effective.
I get the casualty reports every day.
I had the honor of visiting with Prime Minister Allawi.
I have -- I understand everybody in this country doesn't agree with the
decisions I've made.
I have a better plan for homeland security.
I have a better plan to be able to fight the war on terror by strengthening
our military, strengthening our intelligence, by going after the financing
more authoritatively, by doing what we need to do to rebuild the alliances,
by reaching out to the Muslim world, which the president has almost not
done, and beginning to isolate the radical Islamic Muslims, not have them
isolate the United States of America.
I have a plan for Iraq.
I have a plan to have a summit with all of the allies, something this president
has not yet achieved, not yet been able to do to bring people to the table.
I have agreed to enforce their rules on them.
I have no intention of wilting.
I have nothing but respect for the British, Tony Blair, and for what they've
been willing to do.
I hope we can do it.
I just described the coalition.
I just think trying to be popular, kind of, in the global sense, if it's
not in our best interest makes no sense.
I know exactly what we need to do in Iraq, and my position has been consistent:
Saddam Hussein is a threat.
I know how these people think.
I know how these people think.
I know I can do a better job in Iraq.
I know that for many of you sitting at home, parents of kids in Iraq, you
want to know who's the person who could be a commander in chief who could
get your kids home and get the job done and win the peace.
I know that.
I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals
to our troops, our friends, the Iraqi citizens.
I know what it's like to go out on one of those missions when you don't
know what's around the corner.
I look forward to discussing it more with him, as time goes on.
I mean, he's also a strong ally in the war on terror.
I mean, this is the president who said "There were weapons of mass
destruction," said "Mission accomplished," said we could
fight the war on the cheap -- none of which were true.
I mean, we can remember when President Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis
sent his secretary of state to Paris to meet with DeGaulle.
I mean, we thought we'd whip more of them going in.
I regret what's happened in these past months.
I reject this notion -- and I'm suggesting my opponent isn't -- I reject
the notion that some say that if you're Muslim you can't free, you don't
I said, if we do the things that I've set out and we are successful, we
could begin to draw the troops down in six months.
I see on the TV screens how hard it is.
I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace.
I sit down with the world leaders frequently and talk to them on the phone
I sit down with the world leaders frequently and talk to them on the phone
I think by acting firmly and decisively, it will mean it is less likely
we have to use force.
I think it's worth it, because I think -- I know in the long term a free
Iraq, a free Afghanistan, will set such a powerful in a part of the world
that's desperate for freedom.
I think it's worthy for a follow-up.
I think my plan is better.
I think only if you're doing this -- and he's done it more than I have
in terms of the presidency -- can you begin to get a sense of what it means
to your families.
I think she's a terrific person...
I think that by speaking clearly and doing what we say and not sending
mixed messages, it is less likely we'll ever have to use troops.
I think that there needs to be checks and balances in a democracy, and
made that very clear that by consolidating power in the central government,
he's sending a signal to the Western world and United States that perhaps
he doesn't believe in checks and balances, and I told him that.
I think that's wrong, and I think we can do better.
I think that's wrong.
I think the reason that we're not saying send American troops in at this
point is severalfold.
I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to provide
the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were actually looking
for it for peaceful purposes.
I think we need a president who has the credibility to bring the allies
back to the table and to do what's necessary to make it so America isn't
doing this alone.... talking about the truth of the matter.
I think what is misleading is to say you can lead and succeed in Iraq if
you keep changing your positions on this war.
I thought they would stay and fight, but they didn't.
I told her after we prayed and teared up and laughed some that I thought
her husband's sacrifice was noble and worthy.
I understand how hard it is to commit troops.
I understand how hard it is.
I understand that we must find Al Qaida wherever they hide.
I understand the serious consequences of committing our troops into harm's
I understand what the president is talking about, because I know what it
means to lose people in combat.
I wake up every day thinking about how best to protect America.
I want bilateral talks which put all of the issues, from the armistice
of 1952, the economic issues, the human rights issues, the artillery disposal
issues, the DMZ issues and the nuclear issues on the table.
I want to make sure -- yes, sir -- but in this one minute, I want to make
sure that we understand -- the people watching understand the differences
between the two of you on this.
I want to thank the University of Miami for hosting us.
I was hopeful diplomacy would work in Iraq.
I was hoping diplomacy would work.
I wasn't misleading when I said he was a threat.
I will bring fresh credibility, a new start, and we will get the job done
I will make a flat statement: The United States of America has no long-term
designs on staying in Iraq.
I will never let those troops down, and will hunt and kill the terrorists
wherever they are.
I won't hold it against him that he went to Yale.
I work with Director Mueller of the FBI; comes in my office when I'm in
Washington every morning, talking about how to protect us.
I would hope I never have to.
I wrote a book about it several years ago -- six, seven years ago -- called "The
New War," which saw the difficulties of this international criminal
I, too, thank the University of Miami, and say our prayers are with the
good people of this state, who've suffered a lot.
I'd have made a better choice.
If America shows uncertainty or weakness in this decade, the world will
drift toward tragedy.
If the president had shown the patience to go through another round of
resolution, to sit down with those leaders, say, "What do you need,
what do you need now, how much more will it take to get you to join us?" we'd
be in a stronger place today.
If they weren't willing to work a deal, then we could have put sanctions
If you are elected president, what will you take to that office thinking
is the single most serious threat to the national security to the United
I'll change that.
I'll never give a veto to any country over our security.
I'll never turn over America's national security needs to leaders of other
countries, as we continue to build those alliances.
I'll tell you another way to help protect America in the long run is to
continue with missile defenses.
I'm going to do it in four years, and I'm going to immediately set out
to have bilateral talks with North Korea.
I'm going to do it in four years.
I'm going to get it right for those soldiers, because it's important to
Israel, it's important to America, it's important to the world, it's important
to the fight on terror.
I'm going to hold that summit.
I'm going to shut that program down, and we're going to make it clear to
the world we're serious about containing nuclear proliferation.
I'm interested in working with our nations and do a lot of it.
I'm Jim Lehrer of "The NewsHour" on PBS.
I'm not going to go around the country saying he didn't tell the truth,
when he looked at the same intelligence I did.
I'm not going to talk about a difference of character.
I'm not talking about leaving.
I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed
I'm proud that important military figures who are supporting me in this
race: former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili;
just yesterday, General Eisenhower's son, General John Eisenhower, endorsed
me; General Admiral William Crown; General Tony McBeak, who ran the Air
Force war so effectively for his father -- all believe I would make a stronger
commander in chief.
I'm talking about winning.
I'm trying to put a leash on them.
In answer to your question about Iraq and sending people into Iraq, he
just said, "The enemy attacked us."
In fact, he first didn't even want to do that.
In fact, he's done the opposite.
In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough.
In Iraq, we saw a threat, and we realized that after September the 11th,
we must take threats seriously, before they fully materialize.
In order for the sanctions to be effective, we should have been working
with the British, French and Germans and other countries.
In terms of Darfur, I agree it's genocide.
In the hands of a terrorist enemy.
Instead of listening to him, they retired him.
Iran is moving toward nuclear weapons and the world is more dangerous.
Iraq was not even close to the center of the war on terror before the president
It doesn't make sense.
It is hard work to go from a tyranny to a democracy.
It is hard work.
It is not the kind of coalition we were described when we were talking
about voting for this.
It just shows a significant difference of opinion.
It must -- as a last resort.
It sort of brought home the transition to democracy that Russia was trying
It was a threat.
It was always American-run.
It was falling apart.
It was not my administration that put the sanctions on Iran.
It wasn't a mistake.
It will cause the six-party talks to evaporate.
It will help change the world; that we can look back and say we did our
It will mean that China no longer is involved in convincing, along with
us, for Kim Jong Il to get rid of his weapons.
It will remain strong, so long as I'm the president.
It's a big mistake to do that.
It's a body based in The Hague where unaccountable judges and prosecutors
can pull our troops or diplomats up for trial.
It's a central part of dealing with weapons of mass destruction and proliferation.
It's a new subject -- new question, and it has to do with President Putin
It's a phenomenal statistic.
It's another to be certain and be right, or to be certain and be moving
in the right direction, or be certain about a principle and then learn
new facts and take those new facts and put them to use in order to change
and get your policy right.
It's hard work to go from a place where people get their hands cut off,
or executed, to a place where people are free.
It's hard work.
It's hard work.
It's hard work.
It's incredibly hard.
It's like a huge tax gap.
It's necessary we win.
It's not going to work if we open up a dialogue with Kim Jong Il.
It's not what the American people thought they were getting when they voted.
It's one thing to be certain, but you can be certain and be wrong.
It's our generation's equivalent.
It's precisely what Kim Jong Il wants.
It's the hardest decision a president makes.
It's the moral responsibility for us and the world.
It's the wrong thing to do.
It's what leadership is based on.
I've been -- but I'll nevertheless tell you that I think he has not been
candid with the American people.
I've been fighting for proliferation the entire time -- anti-proliferation
the entire time I've been in the Congress.
I've chuckled a few times at some of their comments.
I've got a good relation with Vladimir.
I've had one position, one consistent position, that Saddam Hussein was
I've laid out a plan by which I think we can be successful in Iraq: with
a summit, by doing better training, faster, by cutting -- by doing what
we need to do with respect to the U.N. and the elections.
I've learned not to do that.
I've met kids in Ohio, parents in Wisconsin places, Iowa, where they're
going out on the Internet to get the state-of-the-art body gear to send
to their kids.
I've never wilted in my life.
I've shown the American people I know how to lead.
I've worked with those leaders the president talks about, I've worked with
them for 20 years, for longer than this president.
Japan is going to have a summit for the donors; $14 billion pledged.
Japan will be hosting a summit.
Jim, let me tell you exactly what I'll do.
Jim, the president just said something extraordinarily revealing and frankly
very important in this debate.
Jim, we've got the capability of doing both.
Just because the president says it can't be done, that you'd lose China,
doesn't mean it can't be done.
Just for this one-minute discussion here, just for whatever seconds it
takes: So it's correct to say, that if somebody is listening to this, that
both of you agree, if you're reelected, Mr. President, and if you are elected,
the single most serious threat you believe, both of you believe, is nuclear
Let me -- I'm not exactly sure what you mean, "passes the global test," you
take preemptive action if you pass a global test.
Let me finish.
Let me first tell you that the best way for Iraq to be safe and secure
is for Iraqi citizens to be trained to do the job.
Let me just quickly say, at the current pace, the president will not secure
the loose material in the Soviet Union -- former Soviet Union for 13 years.
Let me say -- I certainly hope so.
Let me tell you one thing I didn't sign, and I think it shows the difference
of our opinion -- the difference of opinions.
Let's do one of these one-minute extensions.
Libya has disarmed.
Libya is now peacefully dismantling its weapons programs.
Libya understood that America and others will enforce doctrine and that
the world is better for it.
Libya was a threat.
Look at Libya.
Maybe someone would call it a character trait, maybe somebody wouldn't.
Missy understood that.
Mixed messages send the wrong signals to our allies.
Mixed messages send the wrong signals to our troops.
Mixed messages send the wrong signals to the Iraqi citizens.
More in August than July.
More in July than June.
More in September than in August.
More soldiers killed in June than before.
More than a million are homeless.
Mr. President, new question.
Mr. President, this is the last question.
Mr. President, two minutes.
Mr. President, you have a 90-second rebuttal.
Mr. Putin now controls all the television stations.
My administration has tripled the amount of money we're spending on homeland
security to $30 billion a year.
My administration started what's called the Proliferation Security Initiative.
My administration worked with the Congress to create the Department of
Homeland Security so we could better coordinate our borders and ports.
My attitude is you take preemptive action in order to protect the American
people, that you act in order to make this country secure.
My concerns about the senator is that, in the course of this campaign,
I've been listening very carefully to what he says, and he changes positions
on the war in Iraq.
My fellow Americans, as I've said at the very beginning of this debate,
both President Bush and I love this country very much.
My hope is that the African Union moves rapidly to help save lives.
My message to our troops is, "Thank you for what you're doing. We're
standing with you strong. We'll give you all the equipment you need. And
we'll get you home as soon as the mission's done, because this is a vital
My message to the troops is also: Thank you for what they're doing, but
it's also help is on the way.
My opponent at one time said, "Well, get me elected, I'll have them
out of there in six months." You can't do that and expect to win the
war on terror.
My opponent calls it a mistake.
My opponent is for joining the International Criminal Court.
My opponent just said something amazing.
My opponent looked at the same intelligence I looked at and declared in
2002 that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat.
My opponent opposed the missile defenses.
My opponent says help is on the way, but what kind of message does it say
to our troops in harm's way, "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time"?
Not a message a commander in chief gives, or this is a "great diversion."
My opponent says we didn't have any allies in this war.
My opponent talks about me not signing certain treaties.
Never wanted to commit troops.
New question, Mr. President, two minutes.
New question, Mr. President, two minutes.
New question, Mr. President.
New question, Mr. President.
New question, Mr. President.
New question, Mr. President.
New question, President Bush.
New question, two minutes, Senator Kerry.
New question, two minutes, Senator Kerry.
New question, two minutes.
Ninety second response, Senator Kerry.
Ninety second response, Senator.
Ninety seconds, Mr. President.
Ninety seconds, Mr. President.
Ninety seconds, Senator Kerry.
Ninety seconds, Senator Kerry.
Ninety seconds, Senator Kerry.
Ninety-second response, Mr. President.
Ninety-second response, Mr. President.
No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor
would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United
States of America.
No, and they don't have to, providing we have the leadership that we put
-- that I'm offering.
No, I don't believe it's going to happen.
No, I don't think it's OK, and said so publicly.
No, the way to win this is to be steadfast and resolved and to follow through
on the plan that I've just outlined.
No, what I said was that, because we achieved such a rapid victory, more
of the Saddam loyalists were around.
Nor was I misleading on the day that the president decided to go to war
when I said that he had made a mistake in not building strong alliances
and that I would have preferred that he did more diplomacy.
North Korea, first, I do.
Not this president.
Not what a commander in chief does when you're trying to lead troops.
Now I believe there's a better way to do this.
Now that's what we have to do.
Now we have this incredible mess in Iraq -- $200 billion.
Now what greater admission is there, 16 months afterwards.
Now, he misled the American people in his speech when he said we will plan
Now, I would not.
Now, I'd like to come back for a quick moment, if I can, to that issue
about China and the talks.
Now, if you break it, you made a mistake.
Now, my opponent says he's going to try to change the dynamics on the ground.
Now, once there, we could have continued those inspections.
Now, Prime Minister Allawi came here, and he said the terrorists are pouring
over the border.
Now, that is not the judgment that a president of the United States ought
Now, that, I think, is one of the most serious, sort of, reversals or mixed
messages that you could possibly send.
Now, the problem is that they didn't think these things through properly.
Now, there are terrorists trying to get their hands on that stuff today.
Now, this has cost us deeply in the world.
Now, we can succeed.
Now, we have a choice here.
Now, whether preemption is ultimately what has to happen, I don't know
Now, with respect to Darfur, yes, it is a genocide.
Number one, we can do this through the African Union, providing we give
them the logistical support.
Of course we're after Saddam Hussein -- I mean bin Laden.
Of course we're doing everything we can to protect America.
Of course, the U.N. was invited in.
Of course, we change tactics when need to, but we never change our beliefs,
the strategic beliefs that are necessary to protect this country in the
Oh, I'm a pretty calm guy.
On Iran, I hope we can do the same thing, continue to work with the world
to convince the Iranian mullahs to abandon their nuclear ambitions.
On one of those tapes may be the enemy being right the next time.
One of his campaign people alleged that Prime Minister Allawi was like
Only the United States put the sanctions on alone, and that's exactly what
I'm talking about.
Osama bin Laden attacked us.
Osama bin Laden doesn't get to decide.
Osama bin Laden isn't going to determine how we defend ourselves.
Otherwise, the world won't be better off.
Our coalition is strong.
Our commanders have got all the flexibility to do what is necessary to
Our hearts go out to you.
Over 60 nations involved with disrupting the trans-shipment of information
and/or weapons of mass destruction materials.
People out there listening know what I believe.
Plus, he says the cornerstone of his plan to succeed in Iraq is to call
upon nations to serve.
Prime Minister Allawi believes they want to.
Prior to Darfur, Ambassador Jack Danforth had been negotiating a north-south
agreement that we would have hoped would have brought peace to the Sudan.
Right now all the president is providing is humanitarian support.
Right now the president is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to
research bunker-busting nuclear weapons.
Russia is a country in transition.
Saddam Hussein didn't attack us.
Saddam Hussein had no intention of disarming.
Saddam Hussein now sits in a prison cell.
Saddam Hussein would have been continually weakening.
Secondly, he said -- my opponent said where he worked to put sanctions
on Iran -- we've already sanctioned Iran.
Secondly, we've set up what's called the -- well, first of all, I agree
with my opponent that the biggest threat facing this country is weapons
of mass destruction in the hands of a terrorist network.
Secondly, when we went in, there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia
and the United States.
Secretary Bill Perry negotiated that under President Clinton.
Secretary of State Colin Powell told this president the Pottery Barn rule:
If you break it, you fix it.
See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time.
Senator Kerry, 30 seconds.
Senator Kerry, 90 seconds.
Senator Kerry, 90 seconds.
Senator Kerry, 90 seconds.
Senator Kerry, two minutes.
Senator Kerry, you have 30 seconds.
Senator Kerry, you mentioned Darfur, the Darfur region of Sudan.
Senator, 90 seconds.
September the 11th changed how America must look at the world.
Seventy-five percent of his people have been brought to justice.
Seventy-five percent of known Al Qaida leaders have been brought to justice.
She and her son Bryan, they came to see me.
She's a fantastic lady I met in Charlotte, North Carolina.
So I went to the United Nations.
So now there are five voices speaking to Kim Jong Il, not just one.
So the choice for America is, you can have a plan that I've laid out in
four points, each of which I can tell you more about or you can go to johnkerry.com
and see more of it; or you have the president's plan, which is four words:
more of the same.
So this is the way the president has overextended the United States.
So to answer your question, I would hope we never have to.
So we use diplomacy every chance we get, believe me.
So what I'm trying to do is just talk the truth to the American people
and to the world.
So what's the message going to be: "Please join us in Iraq. We're
a grand diversion. Join us for a war that is the wrong war at the wrong
place at the wrong time?"
So you say, "Was it worth it?" Every life is precious.
Soldiers know over there that this isn't being done right yet.
Some of them got them for a birthday present.
Some people don't like the fact that I stood up to say no, but I did.
Speaking of Vietnam, you spoke to Congress in 1971, after you came back
from Vietnam, and you said, quote, "How do you ask a man to be the
last man to die for a mistake?"
Speaking of your plan, new question, Senator Kerry.
Talk about mixed messages.
Ten million citizens have registered to vote.
Ten million people have registered to vote in Afghanistan in the upcoming
Thank you and good night.
Thank you very much to the university, again.
Thank you very much tonight, Jim.
Thank you, Jim, very much.
Thank you, Jim.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Thank you, sir.
That happened before.
That happened long before I arrived in Washington, D.C.
That happened on this president's watch.
That is just factually incorrect.
That is noble.
That is the best way.
That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War.
That wasn't going to work.
That's a loaded question.
That's a whole other subject, but I see we still have a little bit more
That's Allawi's assessment.
That's exactly what Kim Jong Il wants.
That's exactly where we find ourselves today.
That's kind of a pre-September 10th mentality, the hope that somehow resolutions
and failed inspections would make this world a more peaceful place.
That's my job.
That's no way to treat somebody who's courageous and brave, that is trying
to lead his country forward.
That's not a grand coalition.
That's not a way to invite people.
That's not going to happen, so long as I'm your president.
That's not how you bring people together.
That's not the issue.
That's precisely what Vladimir Putin understands, as well.
That's the country that I'm going to fight for.
That's the enemy that attacked us.
That's the enemy that is now in 60 countries, with stronger recruits.
That's the enemy that was allowed to walk out of those mountains.
That's the most noble thing that anybody can do.
That's the nature of the enemy, by the way.
That's the plan for victory.
That's totally absurd.
That's what distinguishes us from the enemy.
That's what I learned in Vietnam.
That's what she told me her husband understood.
That's what we caught him doing.
That's where he was breaking the agreement.
That's why it's essential that we make sure that we keep weapons of mass
destruction out of the hands of people like Al Qaida, which we are.
That's why it's essential we hold the line.
That's why it's essential we win.
That's why they had to close down the subway in New York when the Republican
Convention was there.
That's why they're fighting so vociferously.
That's why we need to be firm and resolve in bringing them to justice.
That's why Zarqawi and his people are trying to fight us.
That's why, in my plan, I add two active duty divisions to the United States
Army, not for Iraq, but for our general demands across the globe.
The A.Q. Khan network has been brought to justice.
The American people decide.
The Arab countries have a stake in not having a civil war.
The best way to defeat them is to never waver, to be strong, to use every
asset at our disposal, is to constantly stay on the offensive and, at the
same time, spread liberty.
The biggest disaster that could happen is that we not succeed in Iraq.
The breach on the agreement is highly enriched uranium.
The center is Afghanistan, where, incidentally, there were more Americans
killed last year than the year before; where the opium production is 75
percent of the world's opium production; where 40 to 60 percent of the
economy of Afghanistan is based on opium; where the elections have been
postponed three times.
The enemy understands a free Iraq will be a major defeat in their ideology
The European countries have a stake in not having total disorder on their
The facts are that he was systematically deceiving the inspectors.
The IAEA is involved.
The intelligence I looked at was the same intelligence my opponent looked
at, the very same intelligence.
The issue is what you do about it.
The killer -- the mastermind of the September 11th attacks, Khalid Sheik
Mohammed, is in prison.
The military will be an all-volunteer army.
The minute we have bilateral talks, the six-party talks will unwind.
The national intelligence assessment that was given to the president in
July said, best-case scenario, more of the same of what we see today; worst-case
scenario, civil war.
The next four years we will continue to strengthen our homeland defenses.
The only building that was guarded when the troops when into Baghdad was
the oil ministry.
The only consistent about my opponent's position is that he's been inconsistent.
The Patriot Act is vital -- is vital that the Congress renew the Patriot
Act which enables our law enforcement to disrupt terror cells.
The Philippines -- we've got help -- we're helping them there to bring
-- to bring Al Qaida affiliates to justice there.
The plan says there will be elections in January, and there will be.
The plan says we'll train Iraqi soldiers so they can do the hard work,
and we are.
The president -- 95 percent of the containers that come into the ports,
right here in Florida, are not inspected.
The president actually cut the money for it.
The president also unfortunately gave in to the chemical industry, which
didn't want to do some of the things necessary to strengthen our chemical
The president and I have always agreed on that.
The president did nothing.
The president hasn't put one nickel, not one nickel into the effort to
fix some of our tunnels and bridges and most exposed subway systems.
The president is the one that said, "We can't allow countries to get
nuclear weapons." They have.
The president just said the FBI had changed its culture.
The president just talked about Iraq as a center of the war on terror.
The president made the judgment to divert forces from under General Tommy
Franks from Afghanistan before the Congress even approved it to begin to
prepare to go to war in Iraq.
The president moved the troops, so he's got 10 times the number of troops
in Iraq than he has in Afghanistan, where Osama bin Laden is.
The president relied on Afghan warlords and he outsourced that job too.
The president reversed it publicly while the president of South Korea was
The president said he was going to build a true coalition, exhaust the
remedies of the U.N. and go to war as a last resort.
The president said he would exhaust the remedies of the United Nations
and go through that full process.
The president says that I'm denigrating these troops.
The president's not getting the job done.
The reason why Prime Minister Allawi said they're coming across the border
is because he recognizes that this is a central part of the war on terror.
The rest of them know we're after them.
The terrorism czar, who has worked for every president since Ronald Reagan,
said, "Invading Iraq in response to 9/11 would be like Franklin Roosevelt
invading Mexico in response to Pearl Harbor." That's what we have
The test is, are you doing everything possible to make America safe?
The time line that I've set out -- and again, I want to correct the president,
because he's misled again this evening on what I've said.
The truth is what good policy is based on.
The umbrella topic is foreign policy and homeland security, but the specific
subjects were chosen by me, the questions were composed by me, the candidates
have not been told what they are, nor has anyone else.
The United Nations, Kofi Annan offered help after Baghdad fell.
The United States is pursuing a new set of nuclear weapons.
The way to make sure that we succeed is to send consistent, sound messages
to the Iraqi people that when we give our word, we will keep our word,
that we stand with you, that we believe you want to be free.
The world is better off without Saddam Hussein.
The world is more dangerous.
The world is safer without Saddam Hussein.
Their hope is that we grow weary and we leave.
Then the president, in fact, promised them.
Then, on October 13th, from Arizona State University in Tempe, Bob Schieffer
of CBS News will moderate an exchange on domestic policy that will be similar
in format to tonight's.
There are 100,000 troops trained, police, guard, special units, border
There are sanctions in place on Iran.
There is also a backup buzzer system if needed.
There is an audience here in the hall, but they will remain absolutely
silent for the next 90 minutes, except for now, when they join me in welcoming
President Bush and Senator Kerry.
There was a right way to disarm him and a wrong way.
There was no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein was hoping that the world
would turn a blind eye.
There will be elections in January.
There will be two-minute closing statements, but no opening statements.
There's a lot of good people working hard.
There's a lot of really good people working hard to do so.
There's a sense of American occupation.
There's a special protocol recently been passed that allows for inspections.
There's going to be 125,000 trained by the end of this year.
There's just no doubt in my mind we would rue the day, had Saddam Hussein
been in power.
There's no doubt, I think, about that.
There's no inconsistency.
There's nothing wrong with that.
There's only 25 percent of the people in there.
There's some 600-plus tons of unsecured material still in the former Soviet
Union and Russia.
These debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates.
They avoided even the advice of their own general.
They can't have an election right now.
They didn't do the planning.
They do have stakes in it.
They just decided the time for diplomacy is over and rushed to war without
planning for what happens afterwards.
They just need the help to be trained.
They left the planning of the State Department in the State Department
They obviously didn't.
They outsourced the job to Afghan warlords, who only a week earlier had
been on the other side fighting against us, neither of whom trusted each
They passed the resolution that said, "Disclose, disarm, or face serious
consequences." I believe, when an international body speaks, it must
mean what it says.
They pulled out after Sergio de Mello got killed.
They showed up in Afghanistan when they were there, because they tried
to beat us and they didn't.
They understand that a free Afghanistan or a free Iraq will be a major
defeat for them.
They're fighting us because they're fighting freedom.
They're given a chance to be free, and they will show up at the polls.
They're not going to follow somebody who says this is the wrong war at
the wrong place at the wrong time.
They're not going to follow somebody who says, "This is the wrong
war at the wrong place at the wrong time."
They're not going to follow somebody whose core convictions keep changing
because of politics in America.
They're trying to defeat us.
They've always had stakes in it.
They've got to have the logistical capacity to go in and stop the killing.
Thirty seconds, Mr. President.
Thirty seconds, Mr. President.
Thirty seconds, Mr. President.
Thirty seconds, Senator.
Thirty seconds, Senator.
Thirty-five to forty countries in the world had a greater capability of
making weapons at the moment the president invaded than Saddam Hussein.
This is a group of killers who will not only kill here, but kill children
in Russia, that'll attack unmercifully in Iraq, hoping to shake our will.
This is a two-minute new question, Senator Kerry.
This is a very important country to us.
This is an essential that we get it right.
This is the scale of what President Kennedy set out to do with the nuclear
test ban treaty.
This nation of ours has got a solemn duty to defeat this ideology of hate.
This president has left them in shatters across the globe, and we're now
90 percent of the casualties in Iraq and 90 percent of the costs.
This president has made, I regret to say, a colossal error of judgment.
This president just -- I don't know if he sees what's really happened on
This president thought it was more important to give the wealthiest people
in America a tax cut rather than invest in homeland security.
This was a proliferator out of Pakistan that was selling secrets to places
like North Korea and Libya.
Those are his words.
Those aren't my values.
Those words mean something to me, as somebody who has been in combat.
Those words really have to mean something.
To save for Halliburton the spoils of the war, they actually issued a memorandum
from the Defense Department saying, "If you weren't with us in the
war, don't bother applying for any construction."
Tonight's will last 90 minutes, following detailed rules of engagement
worked out by representatives of the candidates.
troops home from Iraq?
Two minutes, Senator Kerry.
Two minutes, Senator Kerry.
Two-thirds of the country was a no-fly zone when we started this war.
Under my leadership we're going to win this war in Iraq.
Unfortunately, he escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora.
Vladimir is going to have to make some hard choices.
We busted the A.Q.
We can do a better job of training the Iraqi forces to defend themselves,
and I know that we can do a better job of preparing for elections.
We can do better.
We can't leave a failed Iraq.
We can't sanction them any more.
We continue to pursue our policy of disrupting those who proliferate weapons
of mass destruction.
We convinced Libya to disarm.
We could have bilateral talks with Kim Jong Il.
We did not go as a last resort.
We did our best.
We didn't guard the borders.
We didn't guard the foreign office, where you might have found information
about weapons of mass destruction.
We didn't guard the nuclear facilities.
We didn't need that tax cut.
We had him surrounded.
We had Saddam Hussein trapped.
We hadn't done the work that ought to be done.
We have a duty to defeat this enemy.
We have a duty to protect our children and grandchildren.
We have committed $200 million worth of aid.
We have to do this job.
We have to succeed.
We helped stabilize the situation with some troops, and when the African
Union came, we moved them out.
We just read on the front pages of America's papers that there are over
100,000 hours of tapes, unlistened to.
We know that he promised America that he was going to build this coalition.
We must deal with threats before they fully materialize.
We must have China's leverage on Kim Jong Il, besides ourselves.
We need to be smarter about now we wage a war on terror.
We need to deny them the recruits.
We need to deny them the safe havens.
We need to do more than that.
We need to rebuild our alliances.
We needed to go to the U.N. The president needed the authority to use force
in order to be able to get him to do something, because he never did it
without the threat of force.
We ought to be working with the African Union to do so -- precisely what
we did in Liberia.
We pursued Al Qaida wherever Al Qaida tries to hide.
We spent $3.1 billion for fire and police, $3.1 billion.
We tried diplomacy.
We want a partnership.
We were very much involved at the U.N. on the sanction policy of the Bashir
government in the Sudan.
We will commit more over time to help.
We will continue to stay on the offense.
We will fight the terrorists around the world so we do not have to face
them here at home.
We will reform our military.
We will strengthen our intelligence-gathering services.
We will succeed.
We worked very closely with the foreign ministers of France, Germany and
Great Britain, who have been the folks delivering the message to the mullahs
that if you expect to be part of the world of nations, get rid of your
We would have had sanctions.
We would have had the U.N. inspectors.
Weapons of mass destruction, nuclear proliferation.
We'll be implementing a missile-defense system relatively quickly.
We'll come back to Iraq in a moment.
We'll continue to build our alliances.
We'll do a 30 second here.
We'll never succeed in Iraq if the Iraqi citizens do not want to take matters
into their own hands to protect themselves.
Well, actually, he forgot Poland.
Well, but when he used the word "truth" again...
Well, first of all, I admire Senator Kerry's service to our country.
Well, first of all, I appreciate enormously the personal comments the president
Well, I know.
Well, I think -- listen, I fully agree that one should shift tactics, and
we will, in Iraq.
Well, I'll tell you exactly why not, but I first want to say something
about those sanctions on Iran.
Well, I've never, ever used the harshest word, as you did just then.
Well, let me just say quickly that I've had an extraordinary experience
of watching up close and personal that transition in Russia, because I
was there right after the transformation.
Well, Prime Minister Allawi was here.
Well, there are summits being held.
Well, where do you want me to begin?
Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in
how I talk about the war.
We're being challenged like never before.
We're communicating better.
We're doing our duty to provide the funding.
We're facing a group of folks who have such hatred in their heart, they'll
strike anywhere, with any means.
We're going to reform our intelligence services to make sure that we get
the best intelligence possible.
We're making progress.
We're making progress.
We're modernizing our borders.
We're spending reconstruction money.
We're telling other people, "You can't have nuclear weapons," but
we're pursuing a new nuclear weapon that we might even contemplate using.
We're the leading donor in the world to help the suffering people there.
We've allocated $7 billion over the next months for reconstruction efforts.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges.
We've climbed the mighty mountain.
We've done a lot of hard work together over the last three and a half years.
We've got 1,000 extra border patrol on the southern border; want 1,000
on the northern border.
We've got 100,000 trained now, 125,000 by the end of this year, 200,000
by the end of next year.
We've got a backdoor draft taking place in America today: people with stop-loss
programs where they're told you can't get out of the military; nine out
of our 10 active duty divisions committed to Iraq one way or the other,
either going, coming or preparing.
We've got a plan in place.
We've got a plan to do so.
We've got Guards and Reserves who are doing double duties.
We've upheld the doctrine that said if you harbor a terrorist, you're equally
as guilty as the terrorist.
What about Senator Kerry's point, the comparison he drew between the priorities
of going after Osama bin Laden and going after Saddam Hussein?
What criteria would you use to determine when to start bringing U.S.
What I think troubles a lot of people in our country is that the president
has just sort of described one kind of mistake.
What I want to do is change the dynamics on the ground.
What I worry about with the president is that he's not acknowledging what's
on the ground, he's not acknowledging the realities of North Korea, he's
not acknowledging the truth of the science of stem-cell research or of
global warming and other issues.
What is your position on the whole concept of preemptive war? The president
always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike.
What kind of message does it send to be sending money to open firehouses
in Iraq, but we're shutting firehouses who are the first- responders here
What message does that send our troops? What message does that send to
our allies? What message does that send the Iraqis?
What was the miscalculation, and how did it happen?
What's he say to Tony Blair? What's he say to Alexander Kwasniewski of
Poland? You can't expect to build an alliance when you denigrate the contributions
of those who are serving side by side with American troops in Iraq.
When he came, after giving a speech to the Congress, my opponent questioned
When I came back from that war I saw that it was wrong.
When I was in a rope line just the other day, coming out here from Wisconsin,
a couple of young returnees were in the line, one active duty, one from
When I was running -- when we had the debate in 2000, never dreamt I'd
be doing that.
When the Secretary General Kofi Annan offered the United Nations, he said, "No,
no, we'll go do this alone."
When you guard the oil ministry, but you don't guard the nuclear facilities,
the message to a lot of people is maybe, "Wow, maybe they're interested
in our oil."
Which is worse?
While they didn't talk at all, the fuel rods came out, the inspectors were
kicked out, the television cameras were kicked out.
Why should he? He had 16 other resolutions and nothing took place.
With respect to Iran, the British, French, and Germans were the ones who
initiated an effort without the United States, regrettably, to begin to
try to move to curb the nuclear possibilities in Iran.
With respect to North Korea, the real story: We had inspectors and television
cameras in the nuclear reactor in North Korea.
With the American military forces nearby and in the field, we didn't use
the best trained troops in the world to go kill the world's number one
criminal and terrorist.
Yes, 30 seconds.
Yes, I do.
Yes, I understand what it means to the commander in chief.
Yes, let me...
Yes, let's do a little -- yes, 30 seconds.
Yes, we have to be steadfast and resolved, and I am.
Yes, we're getting the job done.
Yet neither one of you or anyone else connected with your campaigns or
your administration that I can find has discussed the possibility of sending
You cannot lead if you send mixed messages.
You cannot lead the war on terror if you keep changing positions on the
war on terror and say things like, "Well, this is just a grand diversion." It's
not a grand diversion.
You cannot lead the world if you do not honor the contributions of those
who are with us.
You can't change the dynamics on the ground if you've criticized the brave
leader of Iraq.
You can't tell me that on the day that we went into that war and it started
-- it was principally the United States, the America and Great Britain
and one or two others.
You don't help yourself with other nations when you turn away from the
global warming treaty, for instance, or when you refuse to deal at length
with the United Nations.
You don't send troops to war without the body armor that they need.
You don't take America to war unless have the plan to win the peace.
You have 30 seconds, right.
You have 30 seconds.
You have said there was a, quote, "miscalculation," of what the
conditions would be in post-war Iraq.
You have to close the borders.
You have to earn that respect.
You have to put the money into it and the funding and the leadership.
You have two minutes.
You just -- you've repeatedly accused President Bush -- not here tonight,
but elsewhere before -- of not telling the truth about Iraq, essentially
of lying to the American people about Iraq.
You know my opinion on North Korea.
You know why? Because an enemy realizes the stakes.
You know, every life is precious.
You know, I think about Missy Johnson.
You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can, knowing full
well that the decision I made caused her loved one to be in harm's way.
You know, it's interesting.
You know, my hardest -- the hardest part of the job is to know that I committed
the troops in harm's way and then do the best I can to provide comfort
for the loved ones who lost a son or a daughter or a husband or wife.
You know, the president's father did not go into Iraq, into Baghdad, beyond
You know, we have to be right 100 percent of the time.
You know, we looked at the same intelligence and came to the same conclusion:
that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat.
You talk about mixed messages.
You want to continue the multinational talks, correct?
Your response to that?
You've been through the roughest weeks anybody could imagine.
You've got to be able to look in the eyes of families and say to those
parents, "I tried to do everything in my power to prevent the loss
of your son and daughter."
You've got to help us over there.
You've got to show you're serious in that regard.